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Re: Election - Will You Vote?

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HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:They're not adding another layer but evolving and empowering current authorities. The one-size-fits-all approach in England HAS to change, especially with the other nations being given greater autonomy.
Really? So do you actually believe, for argument's sake, that if there were a regional assembly for the South West of England that Cornwall CC, Devon CC, Somerset CC, would suddenly disappear or amalgamate into one? And if they did, how long before Cornwall felt that Devon were getting more than their fair share of the cake?
HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:It just makes zero sense for countries of 1m-5m receiving greater powers while the one of 55m is still run from the centre.
So what do you propose, that England be divided into 10 or 20 regional assemblies? How long before those regions want full independence? And how long before further subdivision is sought, or before one region becomes envious of its neighbours because they have more wealth? I agree that one size doesn't necessarily fit all, but surely there has to be some form of over-arching National framework. It just needs to be better at balancing the differing needs of those regions.
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L Transportation wrote:
HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:
No Shot Sherlock wrote:
HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:Just seen that Labour are going to speed up local devolution, with fiscal powers thrown in, plus they are going to regulate everywhere's buses London-style.

Okay, so I *was* leaning towards blue...
Brilliant. Just what we need - another layer of bureaucracy and opportunities for even more bureaucrats to stick their noses in the trough. We already have local devolution - they're called County/Unitary/Town/Parish councils.
They're not adding another layer but evolving and empowering current authorities. The one-size-fits-all approach in England HAS to change, especially with the other nations being given greater autonomy.

It just makes zero sense for countries of 1m-5m receiving greater powers while the one of 55m is still run from the centre.
I agree with HH...
bl**dy hell .........
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<dj.> wrote:I always vote. I find it very sad that so many people don't bother.
I agree . What I hate though , is people that don't vote , but moan about what govt do .......
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Parish councils should be abolished. Complete waste of time and money to achieve nothing other than to group the NIMBY little Hitlers together.
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No Shot Sherlock wrote:
HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:They're not adding another layer but evolving and empowering current authorities. The one-size-fits-all approach in England HAS to change, especially with the other nations being given greater autonomy.
Really? So do you actually believe, for argument's sake, that if there were a regional assembly for the South West of England that Cornwall CC, Devon CC, Somerset CC, would suddenly disappear or amalgamate into one? And if they did, how long before Cornwall felt that Devon were getting more than their fair share of the cake?
HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:It just makes zero sense for countries of 1m-5m receiving greater powers while the one of 55m is still run from the centre.
So what do you propose, that England be divided into 10 or 20 regional assemblies? How long before those regions want full independence? And how long before further subdivision is sought, or before one region becomes envious of its neighbours because they have more wealth? I agree that one size doesn't necessarily fit all, but surely there has to be some form of over-arching National framework. It just needs to be better at balancing the differing needs of those regions.
Even Scotland didn't want full independence, despite the additional factor of historical hatred for England that a sizeable proportion still harbour.

However I'd also be nervous about having too much devolution. As you say, there has to be some backbone of central government there.
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No Shot Sherlock wrote:Not interested in which party you'd vote for, but curious as to how many on here will use their vote, and how many will abstain?

I'll be casting mine :thumb
I shall be voting, without a doubt, and yes I do know for which party. I believe it's a duty to vote, and should be a legal obligation to do so, even if you vote "Abstain". As Jasper says, those who decline to use their right to vote have no real moral justification to criticise the government for any of their decisions. It is less than 100 years since The Fourth Reform Act was passed, prior to that only about 60% of men, and 0% of women had the right to vote. We all know about the huge struggle for women to be allowed to vote, but had that Act not been passed, a large percentage of us men, discussing this issue right now, would not be able to vote. What was the point of that struggle if people say, "Nah, can't be arsed."?
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HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:
No Shot Sherlock wrote:
HappyHour@TheBreweryOfLife wrote:Just seen that Labour are going to speed up local devolution, with fiscal powers thrown in, plus they are going to regulate everywhere's buses London-style.

Okay, so I *was* leaning towards blue...
Brilliant. Just what we need - another layer of bureaucracy and opportunities for even more bureaucrats to stick their noses in the trough. We already have local devolution - they're called County/Unitary/Town/Parish councils.
They're not adding another layer but evolving and empowering current authorities. The one-size-fits-all approach in England HAS to change, especially with the other nations being given greater autonomy.

It just makes zero sense for countries of 1m-5m receiving greater powers while the one of 55m is still run from the centre.
I agree with HH...
Jeezuz, whatever next? :shock:
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CoshamScouse wrote:Always vote.

Always vote the same way.

Guess...
Would that be The Science Party by any chance?
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the_lock_man wrote:Jeezuz, whatever next? :shock:
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I wonder how much Cameron regrets going against an Alternative Vote system in that referendum we had?

Those UKIP second choice votes would be really handy for him right now.
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Earl Grey wrote:I wonder how much Cameron regrets going against an Alternative Vote system in that referendum we had?

Those UKIP second choice votes would be really handy for him right now.
Well after calling UKIPers loonies and fruitcakes, he is now saying to them come home to the Tories (the real home of loonies and fruitcakes)...

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Once upon a time, there was a long term economic plan...

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Lost in Transportation wrote:Once upon a time, there was a long term economic plan...

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Re: Election - Will You Vote?

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the_lock_man wrote:
No Shot Sherlock wrote:Not interested in which party you'd vote for, but curious as to how many on here will use their vote, and how many will abstain?

I'll be casting mine :thumb
I shall be voting, without a doubt, and yes I do know for which party. I believe it's a duty to vote, and should be a legal obligation to do so, even if you vote "Abstain". As Jasper says, those who decline to use their right to vote have no real moral justification to criticise the government for any of their decisions. It is less than 100 years since The Fourth Reform Act was passed, prior to that only about 60% of men, and 0% of women had the right to vote. We all know about the huge struggle for women to be allowed to vote,

But it does allow women to stroke kittens and join the Womens Institute - voting is just something that confuses women. Don't they have enough work to do in the kitchen? On behalf of the Ghengis Khan Party, we don't need another layer of confusion and long words like 'justification to criticise' and 'legal obligation' - it just makes women cry and ruins the perfectly good Macaroni Cheese they've just prepared for our high tea......
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Re: Election - Will You Vote?

Post by bluemal »

I will vote but it will have no effect as Chris Grayling has a majority of over 16,000
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Re: Election - Will You Vote?

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As a rule I don't like to waste my time, hence I will not be voting. Give me a candidate worth voting for and I will change my mind, but I doubt I will see that in my lifetime...
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