Trump

[Milkins]

It`s been happening for a long time, but the powers to be keep a cap on it. I get my info from a couple of Swedish friends.

Unfortunately the do gooders keep a lid on this, and then call Trump all sorts when he tries to expose it

Never heard him trying to expose the Ku Klux Klan. The trouble with the loose cannon approach is that the lack of diplomacy can sometimes ignite the very thing you're trying to prevent.

[Milton End]

It`s been happening for a long time, but the powers to be keep a cap on it. I get my info from a couple of Swedish friends.

Well, instead of your sample of two people, here is some more solid evidence from Sweden itself.

Quote abut Swedish crime from Bloomberg: "Statistics show that reported violent crime rose 3 percent, adjusted for population growth, last year, but overall such offenses are down 5 percent since the start of this decade. Reported sexual offenses rose 8.2 percent in 2016, population adjusted, but were down 4.6 percent from the 2014 level, according to preliminary data from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention."

"Overall in Sweden, 81 percent of people feel “quite or very safe” when out alone late in the evening in their own neighborhood, the council found in its Swedish Crime Survey 2016. The share of people who don’t feel safe increased to 19 percent from 15 percent in 2015."

"Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson on Tuesday also said she was “surprised” by Trump’s comments on Sweden."

“Just like many other Swedes, I don’t recognize his description of Sweden at all,” she said while attending a finance ministers meeting in Brussels. “It’s important that we present a broader and more balanced picture of Sweden,” she said, adding that the country has good growth, falling unemployment and the highest employment rate in the EU."

There was one incident of rock throwing by youths against police last night (Monday 20th Feb) in a suburb of Stockholm.

Typically, this has been then taken up by the far right wing media as solid evidence of widespread and continuing riots in Sweden.

Just another example of the way that the Trump media is now attempting to manipulate FAKE NEWS.

Reminds me, once again, of the gross distortions presented as fact in Nazi Germany.

[RubiconCSL]

It is quite astounding how much information the press keep from us, or at least just don't report. Okay, I don't watch the news on the telly much anymore due to the selective reporting, but I've heard very little of late of the troubles in France. Apparently, half the French army are now deployed on the streets of France. There are riots all over the country. If half of our army was on our streets, I'd be pretty concerned. In fact, other than the 70s when they were running the fire service during the strikes, I can't remember seeing our troops on our streets. It must be pretty bad over there.

I'm not saying this is all means that Trump is therefore right. Maybe it's the hypocrisy I can't stand. People all over the world are in outrage due to Trump being in power and his "xenophobia" in putting a halt on these poor refugees. But where was the outrage over the last 8 years when the previous administration was creating this situation by bombing the ****** out of their countries?

[GibraltarBlue]

It is quite astounding how much information the press keep from us, or at least just don't report. Okay, I don't watch the news on the telly much anymore due to the selective reporting, but I've heard very little of late of the troubles in France. Apparently, half the French army are now deployed on the streets of France. There are riots all over the country. If half of our army was on our streets, I'd be pretty concerned. In fact, other than the 70s when they were running the fire service during the strikes, I can't remember seeing our troops on our streets. It must be pretty bad over there.

I'm not saying this is all means that Trump is therefore right. Maybe it's the hypocrisy I can't stand. People all over the world are in outrage due to Trump being in power and his "xenophobia" in putting a halt on these poor refugees. But where was the outrage over the last 8 years when the previous administration was creating this situation by bombing the ****** out of their countries?

Don't worry Rubi, someone will find a link that states France is safe and the stories of unrest are lies made up by Trump and his entourage....

[RubiconCSL]

I'm not saying I like Trump; I think he is an odious character that represents everything I hate in society. BUT, I can't stand all the **** lickers who think Obama was a saint and that Clinton would have been any better. The main difference I see with this idiot is that he is so transparent (probably even proud of himself), whereas the others deny everything but still do it, generally in an underhand manner. When they are outed, they blame someone else e.g. the nasty ruskies. Basically, they are all from the same stable and I have no time for any of them.

It is quite astounding how much information the press keep from us, or at least just don't report. Okay, I don't watch the news on the telly much anymore due to the selective reporting, but I've heard very little of late of the troubles in France. Apparently, half the French army are now deployed on the streets of France. There are riots all over the country. If half of our army was on our streets, I'd be pretty concerned. In fact, other than the 70s when they were running the fire service during the strikes, I can't remember seeing our troops on our streets. It must be pretty bad over there.

I'm not saying this is all means that Trump is therefore right. Maybe it's the hypocrisy I can't stand. People all over the world are in outrage due to Trump being in power and his "xenophobia" in putting a halt on these poor refugees. But where was the outrage over the last 8 years when the previous administration was creating this situation by bombing the ****** out of their countries?

Don't worry Rubi, someone will find a link that states France is safe and the stories of unrest are lies made up by Trump and his entourage....

[brian lewis]

The thing is Trump found his 'Swedish story' by watching a Fox report on the TV, which involved footage from a documentary allegedly filled with doctored replies to questions. If its me or you,then fine post it or say it and get shot down. But for Gawd's sake Trump is the POTUS!! Surely he should check it out before gobbin off?

[past memories]

It`s been happening for a long time, but the powers to be keep a cap on it. I get my info from a couple of Swedish friends.

Well, instead of your sample of two people, here is some more solid evidence from Sweden itself.

Quote abut Swedish crime from Bloomberg: "Statistics show that reported violent crime rose 3 percent, adjusted for population growth, last year, but overall such offenses are down 5 percent since the start of this decade. Reported sexual offenses rose 8.2 percent in 2016, population adjusted, but were down 4.6 percent from the 2014 level, according to preliminary data from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention."

"Overall in Sweden, 81 percent of people feel “quite or very safe” when out alone late in the evening in their own neighborhood, the council found in its Swedish Crime Survey 2016. The share of people who don’t feel safe increased to 19 percent from 15 percent in 2015."

"Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson on Tuesday also said she was “surprised” by Trump’s comments on Sweden."

“Just like many other Swedes, I don’t recognize his description of Sweden at all,” she said while attending a finance ministers meeting in Brussels. “It’s important that we present a broader and more balanced picture of Sweden,” she said, adding that the country has good growth, falling unemployment and the highest employment rate in the EU."

There was one incident of rock throwing by youths against police last night (Monday 20th Feb) in a suburb of Stockholm.

Typically, this has been then taken up by the far right wing media as solid evidence of widespread and continuing riots in Sweden. (quote)

Try reading a Swedish newspaper.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockh ... ningsskott


Or go to RT.

https://www.rt.com/news/378142-sweden-r ... keby-fire/

[RubiconCSL]

Look, the man is a clown, I think most of us would agree. Be outraged - you should be. All I can't stand is people spouting on about how the previous lot were any better. I know he has plenty of time left still, but Obama started 5 new wars and continued two he said he'd withdraw from. Those actions have caused the majority of these refugees to be refugees in the first place. I can't imagine many of them would rather live in the west than back at home if it were safe to do so. It's not safe to do so because of Bush, Obama, Blair, Camaron, Sarkozy etc. So please do be outraged at this moron in the Whitehouse, but don't conveniently forget what went on for years before him.

The thing is Trump found his 'Swedish story' by watching a Fox report on the TV, which involved footage from a documentary allegedly filled with doctored replies to questions. If its me or you,then fine post it or say it and get shot down. But for Gawd's sake Trump is the POTUS!! Surely he should check it out before gobbin off?

[Milton End]

It`s been happening for a long time, but the powers to be keep a cap on it. I get my info from a couple of Swedish friends.

Well, instead of your sample of two people, here is some more solid evidence from Sweden itself.

Quote abut Swedish crime from Bloomberg: "Statistics show that reported violent crime rose 3 percent, adjusted for population growth, last year, but overall such offenses are down 5 percent since the start of this decade. Reported sexual offenses rose 8.2 percent in 2016, population adjusted, but were down 4.6 percent from the 2014 level, according to preliminary data from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention."

"Overall in Sweden, 81 percent of people feel “quite or very safe” when out alone late in the evening in their own neighborhood, the council found in its Swedish Crime Survey 2016. The share of people who don’t feel safe increased to 19 percent from 15 percent in 2015."

"Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson on Tuesday also said she was “surprised” by Trump’s comments on Sweden."

“Just like many other Swedes, I don’t recognize his description of Sweden at all,” she said while attending a finance ministers meeting in Brussels. “It’s important that we present a broader and more balanced picture of Sweden,” she said, adding that the country has good growth, falling unemployment and the highest employment rate in the EU."

There was one incident of rock throwing by youths against police last night (Monday 20th Feb) in a suburb of Stockholm.

Typically, this has been then taken up by the far right wing media as solid evidence of widespread and continuing riots in Sweden. (quote)

Try reading a Swedish newspaper.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockh ... ningsskott


Or go to RT.

https://www.rt.com/news/378142-sweden-r ... keby-fire/

Are you serious?

RT is the Russian government-funded propaganda channel.

[Milkins]

Here's a tip... Don't fly to the states if you're called Mohammed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-39037385

Apologies if this is "fake news".

[This Time Next Year]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39056786

Apologies if these FACTS disagree with your political prejudices.

[Earl Grey]

What's going wrong here is that everyone has stopped discussing issues openly.

No one is allowed to say what they want.

YouTube and other social media platforms are editing, banning and shutting people up from discussing things openly.

Trump may have opinions based on flimsy journalism but it's the fourth estate that's the real problem.

How can free speech have gone so badly wrong that there have been serious attempts to bring in legislation to restrict the language people use...for example attempts to introduce blasphemy laws.

Universities, the hotbed of free debate, now ban speakers attending pre-booked talks....and it's often student bodies that do this.

Of course free speech shouldn't protect deliberate use of obscenity, child pornography, defamation, incitement to or genuine threats of violence although even some of these categories may have exemptions when used, for example, in art or theatre in a way to bring across a message or idea more succinctly.

But the problem is that the media, press, tv etc., and social media have adopted this agenda-driven editorial approach to news and the expression of opinion and what language may be used to do it, who is allowed to speak, who is allowed to be criticised, what news is suppressed and what opinions are encouraged.

Trump, whose opinions are at worst merely anachronistic, doesn't deserve this hate-filled abuse plus petitions and the Speaker of the House trying to gag him. Stick Trump back into the 1950s and he would pass unnoticed. He didn't set up Guantanamo or order people to be killed.

There are plenty of national leaders who have genuine crimes to answer to....Putin and that North Korean guy for starters.

But one thing that Trump is right about is that what we learn about the World is no longer honestly reported...although he is as guilty as anyone of selective interpretation.

By all means criticise the guy but be sure the strength and accuracy of this criticism is justified and not prioritised over more deserving targets.

[Milton End]

What's going wrong here is that everyone has stopped discussing issues openly.

No one is allowed to say what they want.

YouTube and other social media platforms are editing, banning and shutting people up from discussing things openly.

Trump may have opinions based on flimsy journalism but it's the fourth estate that's the real problem.

How can free speech have gone so badly wrong that there have been serious attempts to bring in legislation to restrict the language people use...for example attempts to introduce blasphemy laws.

Universities, the hotbed of free debate, now ban speakers attending pre-booked talks....and it's often student bodies that do this.

Of course free speech shouldn't protect deliberate use of obscenity, child pornography, defamation, incitement to or genuine threats of violence although even some of these categories may have exemptions when used, for example, in art or theatre in a way to bring across a message or idea more succinctly.

But the problem is that the media, press, tv etc., and social media have adopted this agenda-driven editorial approach to news and the expression of opinion and what language may be used to do it, who is allowed to speak, who is allowed to be criticised, what news is suppressed and what opinions are encouraged.

Trump, whose opinions are at worst merely anachronistic, doesn't deserve this hate-filled abuse plus petitions and the Speaker of the House trying to gag him. Stick Trump back into the 1950s and he would pass unnoticed. He didn't set up Guantanamo or order people to be killed.

There are plenty of national leaders who have genuine crimes to answer to....Putin and that North Korean guy for starters.

But one thing that Trump is right about is that what we learn about the World is no longer honestly reported...although he is as guilty as anyone of selective interpretation.

By all means criticise the guy but be sure the strength and accuracy of this criticism is justified and not prioritised over more deserving targets.

What chance of accurately reporting the world when the world's media are excluded, including the BBC, the Guardian and the Daily Mail?

Quote: "This is an unacceptable development by the Trump White House. Apparently, this is how they retaliate when you report facts that they don't like. We'll keep reporting regardless. CNN Communications."

The fact that there are other bad regimes, like North Korea, is no excuse for the Trump administration to begin its march towards total media control - just like the Nazis in the 1930s.

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Didn't we used to have a rule here that the thread was dead whenever Hitler / Nazis were mentioned?

[past memories]

What's going wrong here is that everyone has stopped discussing issues openly.

No one is allowed to say what they want.

YouTube and other social media platforms are editing, banning and shutting people up from discussing things openly.

Trump may have opinions based on flimsy journalism but it's the fourth estate that's the real problem.

How can free speech have gone so badly wrong that there have been serious attempts to bring in legislation to restrict the language people use...for example attempts to introduce blasphemy laws.

Universities, the hotbed of free debate, now ban speakers attending pre-booked talks....and it's often student bodies that do this.

Of course free speech shouldn't protect deliberate use of obscenity, child pornography, defamation, incitement to or genuine threats of violence although even some of these categories may have exemptions when used, for example, in art or theatre in a way to bring across a message or idea more succinctly.

But the problem is that the media, press, tv etc., and social media have adopted this agenda-driven editorial approach to news and the expression of opinion and what language may be used to do it, who is allowed to speak, who is allowed to be criticised, what news is suppressed and what opinions are encouraged.

Trump, whose opinions are at worst merely anachronistic, doesn't deserve this hate-filled abuse plus petitions and the Speaker of the House trying to gag him. Stick Trump back into the 1950s and he would pass unnoticed. He didn't set up Guantanamo or order people to be killed.

There are plenty of national leaders who have genuine crimes to answer to....Putin and that North Korean guy for starters.

But one thing that Trump is right about is that what we learn about the World is no longer honestly reported...although he is as guilty as anyone of selective interpretation.

By all means criticise the guy but be sure the strength and accuracy of this criticism is justified and not prioritised over more deserving targets.

What chance of accurately reporting the world when the world's media are excluded, including the BBC, the Guardian and the Daily Mail?

Quote: "This is an unacceptable development by the Trump White House. Apparently, this is how they retaliate when you report facts that they don't like. We'll keep reporting regardless. CNN Communications."

The fact that there are other bad regimes, like North Korea, is no excuse for the Trump administration to begin its march towards total media control - just like the Nazis in the 1930s.