I don't get your premise. Surely every country has increasing numbers? My point in posting the 10 or so countries with the highest caseload per million was to attempt to find a common thread (why would usa and Western Europe be worse than anywhere else?)... which I suggest (I don't know) is the named countries are better at counting and testing than say Russia / India / Venezuela / China. I'm sure there are other factors....pop density, more public transport / a more travelled populace etc etcSam_Brown wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:06 pmThe Cincinnati Kid wrote:
Just to add on to my previous post.
I appreciate you mentioned multiple times how death per million is a more accurate figure that gross deaths. I agree but consider the following data. Does the fact the US deaths per million is increasing change your opinion on how well the US has dealt with the outbreak and does the below make you less likely or more likely to consider a lock down being important?
US Deaths Per Million:
20th April: 122 deaths per million
1st May: 190 deaths per million
20th May: 277 deaths per million
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tota ... ID_WRL+USA
I don't particularly think the x per million number is that relevant. The number which no-one really has is ...how many peeps had the virus vs died....and we don't know that anywhere because we don't test people that aren't sick....which from my reading of various dribs and drabs from the press...... is a very large number ie peeps that had the virus and never had symptoms.
I have said its a known science FACT that the dose of any particular virus / germ / bacteria that we all get in our course of everyday life is a critical factor. We all come into contact with small doses of something every day. (did you know there is apparently poo on youe cellphone?...uuurggh) If someone with flu sneezes in yer face, yer getting the flu. If they sneeze in the air and you walk by 5 minutes later, maybe you get a few molecules, and your body probably fights it off and you never knew you had it.
The FACTS of who gets sick with corona suggest this is the case....those that are unable to avoid high or constant dose from an infected person....care homes / prisons / cruise ships / workplaces with lots of people close together...etc etc. So, given this, I suggest we are inhibiting herd immunity, inhibiting the natural order of things with overly aggressive shutdowns / lockdowns.
That's not to say they are useless. On the contrary, they have value in insuring our med systems don't get overloaded and, as Nuts said earlier...that was the premise on which lockdowns / shutdowns were sold to the populace. But, imo, they have morphed into a save every life at all costs routine. Though that has relaxed globally now.