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That’s some good news then. The key is to keep it that way.
It is encouraging that the death rate is falling however the new cases rate seems to be increasing again. It is a fair point comparing the COVID deaths alongside Flu and Pneumonia but although there are fewer deaths, they are in addition to what we would normally expect. Also, the death rates are being kept artificially low due to lockdown, social distancing and masks however, without these the figures would be considerably higher.
For these reasons I certainly believe it makes sense for a cautious return to crowds at matches. I'd certainly give the first few matches.
They're not additional. We been below the 5year average death rate for several weeks in a row now . Anyway it's moved on to cats now apparently. So let's get the stadiums open
On the subject of wearing masks, did anyone else see Gareth Evans' wife Hazel's tweet about having to wear one in a shop. One of the most entitled statements I've ever read. She got pelters for it, and rightly so.
Selsey Bill wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:58 pm
On the subject of wearing masks, did anyone else see Gareth Evans' wife Hazel's tweet about having to wear one in a shop. One of the most entitled statements I've ever read. She got pelters for it, and rightly so.
Yes, I did read the silly girl's tweet. She's not going to wear a mask in a shop, because it will damage her new baby's development not being able to see her smile. She seemed to be under the misapprehension that she had to wear the mask as soon as she left home.
I before E except when you run a feisty heist on a weird beige foreign neighbour
GreenBlue wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:15 pm
I agree with Mr Nuts. The government handling of this thing has, at times. been a joke
Of course the government have made mistakes, I defy anyone to have handled such a unique situation perfectly.
Sam_Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:22 pmJust look at the new quarantine restrictions on people coming from Spain which I think were only lifted a few weeks back.
Spain has seen a significant increase in cases in the last week or so. It makes sense to me to react quickly, so that the people who are currently there don't spread it here if they bring it back with them. How would you have reacted?
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I before E except when you run a feisty heist on a weird beige foreign neighbour
I found it interesting, that after the absolute outrage of the media over people going to Bournemouth beach a couple of weeks ago, there has been no spike in cases. Admittedly, not every one of those people lives in Bournemouth, but would not have travelled hundreds of miles. If they had done such a dangerous thing (and I don't think many were wearing masks) surely new cases would have spiked in the surrounding areas, but hasn't.
Off-topic slightly, there was no such media outrage the week before at the BLM marches.
Like many, trust few and always paddle you own canoe.
GreenBlue wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:15 pm
I agree with Mr Nuts. The government handling of this thing has, at times. been a joke
Of course the government have made mistakes, I defy anyone to have handled such a unique situation perfectly.
Sam_Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:22 pmJust look at the new quarantine restrictions on people coming from Spain which I think were only lifted a few weeks back.
Spain has seen a significant increase in cases in the last week or so. It makes sense to me to react quickly, so that the people who are currently there don't spread it here if they bring it back with them. How would you have reacted?
I have no issues with the quarantine for those coming back from Spain. If I gave that impression I apologise as it was unintentional. I was more surprised the quarantine was lifted in the first place more than anything as I didn’t realise it had until hearing it was back on again. I think if anything it shows the risk of opening up things too quickly.
I’m in Northampton and think we’re probably only a few days of increased cases away from going into local lockdown ourselves so appreciate how quickly these things can change. On another note I’ve just been told I have to self isolate for 7 days but had a test this morning so believe a negative result means I won’t have to do here’s hoping.
RubiconCSL wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:41 pm
I found it interesting, that after the absolute outrage of the media over people going to Bournemouth beach a couple of weeks ago, there has been no spike in cases. Admittedly, not every one of those people lives in Bournemouth, but would not have travelled hundreds of miles. If they had done such a dangerous thing (and I don't think many were wearing masks) surely new cases would have spiked in the surrounding areas, but hasn't.
Off-topic slightly, there was no such media outrage the week before at the BLM marches.
Someone posted a good article somewhere on here about the Bournemouth beach incident and how they hadn’t seen a rise in cases so hopefully they can be a good case study in how we can manage this moving forwards. Really interested in the fallout from the recent PSG game where they let some fans back in as will probably go some way to showing how things might end up working over here.
As for the BLM point I definitely remember seeing it on both the Main Stream Media and Social Media people talking about how it could help spread Covid.
There may have been media mention that BLM protests might cause a spike in cases, but that was as emotive as it got. The headlines used nowhere near as emotive wording as the headlines about Bournemouth beach. Wording like "major incident declared", "The irresponsible behaviour and actions of so many people is just shocking" and "absolutely appalled at the scenes witnessed on our beaches ". But that is how the media works.
RubiconCSL wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:41 pm
I found it interesting, that after the absolute outrage of the media over people going to Bournemouth beach a couple of weeks ago, there has been no spike in cases. Admittedly, not every one of those people lives in Bournemouth, but would not have travelled hundreds of miles. If they had done such a dangerous thing (and I don't think many were wearing masks) surely new cases would have spiked in the surrounding areas, but hasn't.
Off-topic slightly, there was no such media outrage the week before at the BLM marches.
Someone posted a good article somewhere on here about the Bournemouth beach incident and how they hadn’t seen a rise in cases so hopefully they can be a good case study in how we can manage this moving forwards. Really interested in the fallout from the recent PSG game where they let some fans back in as will probably go some way to showing how things might end up working over here.
As for the BLM point I definitely remember seeing it on both the Main Stream Media and Social Media people talking about how it could help spread Covid.
RubiconCSL wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:56 pm
There may have been media mention that BLM protests might cause a spike in cases, but that was as emotive as it got. The headlines used nowhere near as emotive wording as the headlines about Bournemouth beach. Wording like "major incident declared", "The irresponsible behaviour and actions of so many people is just shocking" and "absolutely appalled at the scenes witnessed on our beaches ". But that is how the media works.
RubiconCSL wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:41 pm
I found it interesting, that after the absolute outrage of the media over people going to Bournemouth beach a couple of weeks ago, there has been no spike in cases. Admittedly, not every one of those people lives in Bournemouth, but would not have travelled hundreds of miles. If they had done such a dangerous thing (and I don't think many were wearing masks) surely new cases would have spiked in the surrounding areas, but hasn't.
Off-topic slightly, there was no such media outrage the week before at the BLM marches.
Someone posted a good article somewhere on here about the Bournemouth beach incident and how they hadn’t seen a rise in cases so hopefully they can be a good case study in how we can manage this moving forwards. Really interested in the fallout from the recent PSG game where they let some fans back in as will probably go some way to showing how things might end up working over here.
As for the BLM point I definitely remember seeing it on both the Main Stream Media and Social Media people talking about how it could help spread Covid.
You know what on reflection you have a point. I agree there was a lot less emotive language used on the BLM protests.
Only my personal views so take it with a pinch of salt but I guess it's a case of picking your battles and with the protests being such a tinder box perhaps cooler heads felt anything too incendiary would cause more trouble? Not that that usually stops the media but at that point in time I guess the fear was any criticism of the protests would be seen as being "racist". Kinda feel the hands of the media were tied a bit by how much support the protests were getting at that point in time.
From a cynical point of view I've always felt like some in power want to be able to blame the "public" for any second spike as a deflection away from any criticism perceived to be laid at the government in response to their handling of the pandemic. Something the articles aimed at the beach goers was potentially a perfect example of. Honest answer? Whole thing is a ****** show whatever way you look at it. I'm not a fan of the identity politics that seem to be prevalent in the UK for the last few years. It's all about distraction, division and disinformation.
Don't really have a point. Just throwing my $0.02 into the hat .
Sam_Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:14 pmIt's all about distraction, division and disinformation.
Any opportunity that raises its head for polarizing public opinion and therefore the public themselves, "they" pounce on it. Sadly, they are seldom disappointed. If we are fighting and bickering among ourselves, we ignore what is probably really going on. First, there was the clap for the NHS - if you didn't, you were a social pariah. Then BLM: if a player took the option not to kneel or someone suggested that all lives matter, he/she would be branded a racist. To Mask or Not to Mask is just another one. I feel they are also using these things as tests to see how malleable the greater public is, for more that is to come. I do hope I'm just a conspiracy theory idiot though - but I don't think I am.
Sam_Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:14 pm
Don't really have a point. Just throwing my $0.02 into the hat .
I think you do and I agree wholeheartedly.
Like many, trust few and always paddle you own canoe.
Sam_Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:14 pmIt's all about distraction, division and disinformation.
Any opportunity that raises its head for polarizing public opinion and therefore the public themselves, "they" pounce on it. Sadly, they are seldom disappointed. If we are fighting and bickering among ourselves, we ignore what is probably really going on. First, there was the clap for the NHS - if you didn't, you were a social pariah. Then BLM: if a player took the option not to kneel or someone suggested that all lives matter, he/she would be branded a racist. To Mask or Not to Mask is just another one. I feel they are also using these things as tests to see how malleable the greater public is, for more that is to come. I do hope I'm just a conspiracy theory idiot though - but I don't think I am.
Sam_Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:14 pm
Don't really have a point. Just throwing my $0.02 into the hat .
Re Bournemouth beach, BLM protests, etc, on July 11th the rolling 7-day average number of new daily infections was 552 and was falling. Two weeks later on July 25th it was 660 and is rising.
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