Yesterday

[Blue Walter]

You would have thought Pompey were second to bottom of the table rather than second top! If you read all these various comments!

indeed with a team of no hopers that have been ***** all season

A predictable response from your good self which, no doubt, will be covered by the usual 'tongue in cheek' reply. No one has said that we have been rubbish all season, quite the contrary as a team isn't top at this stage of the season without being good. I think the general theme of the naysayers is that some could see Saturday's performance coming, maybe not the scoreline. We have a very good first eleven when fit and available but the back up in certain positions is not up to standard. Teams have worked out our weaknesses and exploited it, as Saturday showed. I don't think many teams come to Fratton Park and 'shut up shop' or' park the bus'. They come to attack us because they know there are weaknesses. Also they know that if they can restrict our attack we don't really have much to offer. We have a good team and good players so it is up to us to change the way we play to overcome this and give teams more to think about.

No Walter this wasn't tongue in cheek at all. We have gone 27 games unbeaten. We have been top or or within the top four all season and yet at the first liss, this player is crap, we need 6 new players in January. Jeez we ate a league one team with league one players. They will not be perfect all the time, doesn't mean when they aren't, they won't bounce back, they don't need to be instantly written off.
Yes sparkes isn't the best defender ever, but he has been bl**dy good this season, one game he gets exposed having a bad day and you would think he should be strung up for being Co.pletely incompetent

Like I said, it was your usual exaggerated retort. No one said we need 6 new players and no one said we have been rubbish all season. The fact we have been at the top most of the season would suggest we have a good team. Our first choice 11 is very good at this level but our back up is not particularly so. Obviously everyone is disappointed by our loss on Saturday, especially the size of it, but many could see that we weren't demolishing sides. We have been involved in some very close games where it could have gone either way and many saw a defeat just around the corner. Unlike you I haven't seen a post that has written us off for the season. Conversely I have seen post that you evidently haven't which suggest different things that will, in their view, help maintain our progress.

The point about Sparkes seems to be lost on you as well. I haven't seen a post that says Sparkes is rubbish full stop. I have seen posts that echo my view that Sparkes has lived up to his reputation for not being a good defender but has good attributes going forward. My own view is that we should not have recruited him if he was brought in solely as a left back specialist. I do agree, however, that he is a worthy squad player because of his other abilities.

Your debating strategy seems to be to exagerate your opposser's view in a way to ridicule rather than what they have actually said.
Good debating etiquette is that while you do disagree with someone's view you respond to in a fair and reasoned way rather than infantile rants.

actually Walter on the Blackpool thread there was a post that said we need to recruit 5 to 6 players in January
I have actually wanted us to lose to get the monkey off our back. you say we have been involved in close games and people could see a loss coming, yet those close games we kept winning or at least drawing, and then when the loss comes its the end of the world all of a sudden for some.
On sparks there are plenty of posts that say he should never play at left back, cant defend to save his life shouldn't be in the team, i would say that is people saying he is rubbish??? I am not saying he is a great left back, I am saying he isnt the useless lump he is being made out to be
and the posters who post that the world is ending and we need a whole new squad every time we lose aren't exaggerating?? there was talk of Mousinho being sacked earlier in the season because we drew a few games in a row, clearly couldn't do the job, recruitment was sh!te and yet we have been at the top end of the table for the most part of the season.
All I am saying is that the expectation of some is out of this world, we are in league 1 with league 1 players, deal with it accept that they are going to be bad sometimes, I mean the comparisons of our wingers to Best and Matthews was frankly laughable, sorry Eltorro, or go support a premier team of your choice who can buy world class players

In the aftermath of the Blackpool result I have not seen the extreme posts that you have alluded to. Obviously I have seen the moans and groans associated with the disappointment of losing after such a long time, but not the extremities you have. Like you say we have managed to turn some very tight games into draws or victories but it was only a question of time before that would be beyond us. Thank you for your advice concerning that I should 'deal with it' in relation to being in League One and 'accept' that we have League One players. I actually think I do come to terms of where my club operate and that the players will not be world class. Personally I think that is another ridiculous statement thinking that advice was needed. I have been watching Pompey long enough to be able to view how we operate at any of the levels we are involved in.

I still contend that your argument is based on fabricated exaggeration with the intention of ridicule.

apologies Walter I wasnt suggesting you needed to deal with it, you quite clearly are, it was a generalisation at the hysteria on here at times
I accept your contention, although never my intention to ridicule, merely to put the opposite end of the argument, which may seem extreme but then so are a lot of the doomsday notions on here. Consider my arguments done

OK, fair enough and I do accept your apologies once again. However, may I offer you some advice with all due respect. By all means have an opposing view, which you are fully entitled to just as I am, but your views will be taken more respectfully when it is constructed without the exaggerated content. Your views generally are opposite to mine but in keeping with the majority of the other board contributors on here. I usually find myself outside the circle of viewpoint usually expressed here, which is fine because I have no god given reason to be right. My views are constructed on how I see things which, as I say, normally differs from the board in general, so when my views are taken out of context to the point of exaggerated ridicule I do find it rather irksome. I do find your views, and those that oppose me interesting, but when someone expresses a version of my view out of context and exaggerated it loses value for their particular argument.

I will not just say things to be 'trendy' or what people tend to call 'Happy clapping' (not a term that I like) because it is nice to say or read. Nor will I say things just to be controversial, or as some people will label 'a wind up'. I just post things on how things occur to me, but I do appreciate people will disagree.

[eltorrro]

I mean the comparisons of our wingers to Best and Matthews was frankly laughable, sorry Eltorro, or go support a premier team of your choice who can buy world class players

Portchester...suggest you read my comment again because that is not what I said and did not compare our wingers to them. You are twisting it to suit your own needs.
What I said was I was fortunate enough that I grew up watching the likes of Matthews and Best et al so probably
am biased. I appreciate we are div 3 and players are not as good; that doesn't mean they can't be criticised at times does it? In my youth I played football to quite a good standard (Southern League) so consider I am able to distinguish between good and bad players.
We all have opinions but we don't all agree.

IIRC you said that our wingers arent good enough, that you were fortunate to watch best etc and so were biased, to me that suggests that you are comparing them in your head thats why they arent good enough. that is just what I get from you saying that.
or course it doesnt mean that you cant criticise them, but they are getting criticised for not being amazing players which they arent other wise they wouldnt be playing in league 1

Portchester..this is the actual, original message I sent and if you read it correctly nowhere do I compare our wingers with any legends.
Re: Chesterfield

Post by eltorrro » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:18 pm
pompeygunner...thanks for your response to my opinion.
Just looked up 'knee-jerk' meaning: denotes a too-hasty, impulsive, perhaps even irrational response that is often based on preconceived notions.

I have watched every minute of every game Pompey has played this season and my opinion is based on what I have witnessed from those games. Probably I shouldn't have said 'judged on this performance who do we get rid of?'...that indicated my opinion was based on that one game and it wasn't. Neither was it a knee-jerk reaction.

Possibly my judgement is clouded by my years having watched the likes of Peter Harris, Stan Matthews, George Best, etc. etc, real wingers who could beat their man and put over a decent cross. Yes, I know, we are in Lge1 and players aren't so good and that is an accepted so perhaps I should just keep my opinions to myself and accept the situation?
Well boll+++s to that...I will praise when deserved and criticise if necessary. Believe it or not I would much prefer to praise, that would mean we are doing well (the emphasis on WE because it's a team thing!) JM and management have done wonders so far, perhaps a couple of dubious choices but hopefully that will be rectified come January.

[Portchesterblue2]

I mean the comparisons of our wingers to Best and Matthews was frankly laughable, sorry Eltorro, or go support a premier team of your choice who can buy world class players

Portchester...suggest you read my comment again because that is not what I said and did not compare our wingers to them. You are twisting it to suit your own needs.
What I said was I was fortunate enough that I grew up watching the likes of Matthews and Best et al so probably
am biased. I appreciate we are div 3 and players are not as good; that doesn't mean they can't be criticised at times does it? In my youth I played football to quite a good standard (Southern League) so consider I am able to distinguish between good and bad players.
We all have opinions but we don't all agree.

IIRC you said that our wingers arent good enough, that you were fortunate to watch best etc and so were biased, to me that suggests that you are comparing them in your head thats why they arent good enough. that is just what I get from you saying that.
or course it doesnt mean that you cant criticise them, but they are getting criticised for not being amazing players which they arent other wise they wouldnt be playing in league 1

Portchester..this is the actual, original message I sent and if you read it correctly nowhere do I compare our wingers with any legends.
Re: Chesterfield

Post by eltorrro » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:18 pm
pompeygunner...thanks for your response to my opinion.
Just looked up 'knee-jerk' meaning: denotes a too-hasty, impulsive, perhaps even irrational response that is often based on preconceived notions.

I have watched every minute of every game Pompey has played this season and my opinion is based on what I have witnessed from those games. Probably I shouldn't have said 'judged on this performance who do we get rid of?'...that indicated my opinion was based on that one game and it wasn't. Neither was it a knee-jerk reaction.

Possibly my judgement is clouded by my years having watched the likes of Peter Harris, Stan Matthews, George Best, etc. etc, real wingers who could beat their man and put over a decent cross. Yes, I know, we are in Lge1 and players aren't so good and that is an accepted so perhaps I should just keep my opinions to myself and accept the situation?
Well boll+++s to that...I will praise when deserved and criticise if necessary. Believe it or not I would much prefer to praise, that would mean we are doing well (the emphasis on WE because it's a team thing!) JM and management have done wonders so far, perhaps a couple of dubious choices but hopefully that will be rectified come January.

I have watched every minute of every game Pompey has played this season and my opinion is based on what I have witnessed from those games. Probably I shouldn't have said 'judged on this performance who do we get rid of?'...that indicated my opinion was based on that one game and it wasn't. Neither was it a knee-jerk reaction.

Possibly my judgement is clouded by my years having watched the likes of Peter Harris, Stan Matthews, George Best, etc. etc, real wingers who could beat their man and put over a decent cross. Yes, I know, we are in Lge1 and players aren't so good and that is an accepted so perhaps I should just keep my opinions to myself and accept the situation?

your words Eltorro, you are basically saying yourself you shouldn't compare but you are, if your judgement is clouded by them then you are comparing.
I apologise if saying that offends you, rest assured I will not be offending you further