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Judicial inconsistencies

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So, 2 women torture and murder a young girl, and get 18 and 13 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31763660

A teenager is convicted of attempted murder and gets 21 years:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/ ... -1-6618723

Whilst I appreciate I don't know the ins and outs of the cases, there seems to be something amiss here. Fewer years for actually murdering someone, than attempting to.
Hmmmm.
Anyone want to explain?
Its such a fine line between stupid and clever.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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btw, not trying to defend any of the convicted, just don't understand the sentences.
Its such a fine line between stupid and clever.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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Because the latter is male.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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Pompey1985 wrote:Because the latter is male.
With tongue firmly in my cheek Pompey 1985. Have you a conspiracy theory you wish to share?
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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dickinson wrote:
Pompey1985 wrote:Because the latter is male.
With tongue firmly in my cheek Pompey 1985. Have you a conspiracy theory you wish to share?
Nope. Just being the Sol Campbell of gender equality.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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Good response Pompey 1985. Quite funny. :lol:

I've heard he likes the ladies, he's a cup lifter. Blue Army.Blue Army.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

Post by No Shot Sherlock »

Might have something to do with the fact that the two women were convicted of manslaughter, not murder :roll:
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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ok, I'll reword my original post (my confusion still stands):

So, 2 women torture and KILL a young girl, and get 18 and 13 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31763660

A teenager is convicted of attempted murder and gets 21 years:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/ ... -1-6618723

Whilst I appreciate I don't know the ins and outs of the cases, there seems to be something amiss here. Fewer years for actually killing someone, than attempting to.
Hmmmm.
Anyone want to explain?
Its such a fine line between stupid and clever.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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Might have something to do with the fact there were multiple "attempts".
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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that rather poses the questions
How many attempts = 1 manslaughter
or
How many attempts = 1 murder
or
How many manslaughters = 1 murder
Its such a fine line between stupid and clever.
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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No Shot Sherlock wrote:Might have something to do with the fact that the two women were convicted of manslaughter, not murder :roll:
Indeed, when you re-word it as 'didn't intend to kill' for the first, and 'intended to kill but failed' for the second, the sentences might seem more appropriate.

For the record, I would support full life sentences for anyone who kills/makes concerted attempt to kill someone.

(Reading the details of the Pompey lad, I'm not sure 1.5cm-2cm wounds to the breasts amounts to an attempted murder. You would have to hit the heart of a flat-chested girl dead-on for any chance of a fatal wound.)
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Re: Judicial inconsistencies

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Intention and competence are two very different things...
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