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#895513
Sam_Brown wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 8:06 pm

Just to add on to my previous post.

I appreciate you mentioned multiple times how death per million is a more accurate figure that gross deaths. I agree but consider the following data. Does the fact the US deaths per million is increasing change your opinion on how well the US has dealt with the outbreak and does the below make you less likely or more likely to consider a lock down being important?

US Deaths Per Million:

20th April: 122 deaths per million
1st May: 190 deaths per million
20th May: 277 deaths per million

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tota ... ID_WRL+USA
I don't get your premise. Surely every country has increasing numbers? My point in posting the 10 or so countries with the highest caseload per million was to attempt to find a common thread (why would usa and Western Europe be worse than anywhere else?)... which I suggest (I don't know) is the named countries are better at counting and testing than say Russia / India / Venezuela / China. I'm sure there are other factors....pop density, more public transport / a more travelled populace etc etc
I don't particularly think the x per million number is that relevant. The number which no-one really has is ...how many peeps had the virus vs died....and we don't know that anywhere because we don't test people that aren't sick....which from my reading of various dribs and drabs from the press...... is a very large number ie peeps that had the virus and never had symptoms.
I have said its a known science FACT that the dose of any particular virus / germ / bacteria that we all get in our course of everyday life is a critical factor. We all come into contact with small doses of something every day. (did you know there is apparently poo on youe cellphone?...uuurggh) If someone with flu sneezes in yer face, yer getting the flu. If they sneeze in the air and you walk by 5 minutes later, maybe you get a few molecules, and your body probably fights it off and you never knew you had it.
The FACTS of who gets sick with corona suggest this is the case....those that are unable to avoid high or constant dose from an infected person....care homes / prisons / cruise ships / workplaces with lots of people close together...etc etc. So, given this, I suggest we are inhibiting herd immunity, inhibiting the natural order of things with overly aggressive shutdowns / lockdowns.
That's not to say they are useless. On the contrary, they have value in insuring our med systems don't get overloaded and, as Nuts said earlier...that was the premise on which lockdowns / shutdowns were sold to the populace. But, imo, they have morphed into a save every life at all costs routine. Though that has relaxed globally now.
#895517
I think I preferred it when you were on the wind up (maybe that's an unfair description) as I'm finding it hard to disagree with most of that post :rofl. I think you're right on most of that.

One thing worth considering is that it's easy to deal with absolutes like "lockdown" vs "no lockdown" and it's easy to take a position on that basis but when you start looking at the grey areas even when you have people who believe we should relax the lockdown what each person deems as a suitable relaxation is different. Even myself I see people moaning about schools going back and I don't have a massive issue with that but I know a lot of people do. Where as I see some things people think is fine and think they are idiots. I think the thing I'm noticing recently is a lack of cohesion between what the government is saying and what local authorities \ business are doing.

For example the local country parks have been absolutely rammed the last week or so up here but none of the carparks are open so everyone is parking on the side of country lanes and climbing over fences etc which probably increases the risk of transmission. Although seeing as how much money they are raking in maybe it's not an accident...

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/busi ... rk-2856094
#895601
Can't agree more Cinci......

Humans are by their nature, are herd animals who need interaction. After the various lock-downs, it was only a matter of time before people wanted to meet up in public again. Yes, a spike will probably reoccur, but I hope drastic measures don't return. That said, I shuddered at some of the 'weekend pool parties' that were so overcrowded, but maybe that is part of the nature of repetitive behavior being the norm. Going out, being sensible and responsible and washing hands should be enough....but then, once let out of the gate, all common sense disappears with some.....
#895609
uspompeyfan wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 7:04 pm
Can't agree more Cinci......

Humans are by their nature, are herd animals who need interaction. After the various lock-downs, it was only a matter of time before people wanted to meet up in public again. Yes, a spike will probably reoccur, but I hope drastic measures don't return. That said, I shuddered at some of the 'weekend pool parties' that were so overcrowded, but maybe that is part of the nature of repetitive behavior being the norm. Going out, being sensible and responsible and washing hands should be enough....but then, once let out of the gate, all common sense disappears with some.....
Indeed it does. But don't let that get you down. Remember its a huge country 350 million + and it aint hard for the press to go find an overcrowded bar, a pool party and some other assorted Neanderthals. I've mentioned before that I get around. This last week alone, Florida, Baltimore and somewhere in PA . Most peeps taking in the info and doing the right thing. ffs I cut my own freaking hair yesterday even though the barber did just open back up.
Actually, it came out quite good!
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