Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:03 pm
ditto I know we're all bored with covid and I like a good political discussion as much as the next bored person but...
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Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:22 am
"When the F1 drivers, European footballers and all the other sports people who have taken the knee do so, they are not signing up to some far left mantra, they are simply expressing the fact that racism has gone on, largely unchallenged, for too long."GreenBlue wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:27 pm Sorry US, you are blinkered by your blind devotion to the Republican party and to the right-wing press.
Lines like " The Democrats use his name and take his words out of context, preferring violence over peace." are just wrong.
In Europe, the gesture of taking the knee and the adoption of the term Black Lives matter is far removed from the political face in the US. It is a genuine stance against inequality and a movement in support of attempting to eradicate racism. "When the F1 drivers, European footballers and all the other sports people who have taken the knee do so, they are not signing up to some far left mantra, they are simply expressing the fact that racism has gone on, largely unchallenged, for too long."
You say "European athletes are considered laughable because they are puppets and the majority don't know fully who they are supporting when they kneel."
I would argue that you are too narrow minded to see past your own point of view on this stance. They do not need to be scholars of US history or modern US politics to understand why they are doing so as, although it may have been nicked and adapted from certain events, it has transcended them and is now being used as a symbol of equality and justness. They know exactly why they do it.
Then why the black power fist?
And I take it you missed hundreds of BLM dressed as a militia marching round Brixton shouting abuse at police and bystanders this weekend ?
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:45 am
Did he ? Do you reckon he was even real ?
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:57 am
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:02 am
America is one of the biggest countries in the world but so many of its residents live in a little bubble.
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:33 am
As always at these sorts of protests you're going to end up with some less saveloy people turning up with the intention of just causing trouble.
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:12 am
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 am
just noticed the typo. I am a silly sausage 
I'd say it's more a reason than an excuse. I'm certainly not condoning the actions of the people who take things too far and certainly as a general rule won't use the actions of a few bad eggs as an excuse the dismiss the legitimate concerns raised at any protest. As mentioned previously in this thread I believe there are some people working both sides out there who just want to cause mischief and cause division. I think it's perfectly appropriate to support the general move towards a more equal society while also calling out the extremes at either end of the spectrum who (regardless of if they are acting in bad faith or not) do more harm than good for their own cause.
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:19 am
Maybe they could build a wall around London and leave the rest of us to it.
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:26 am
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:07 am
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:59 am
. I won't be trying to cross. After my last visit to London I doubt I'll be going again .Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:28 pm
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:32 pm
Media on both sides ensure that this appears to be so. The Beirut explosion barely made any main news story except for a 2 minute piece. Typically you have State news followed by 'World News' which is Half State and the other half is what happened in the rest of the US.
You'd be surprised how many college level kids couldn't pin point European countries on a map, let alone any other Continent. The basic premise is that if it isn't in America, it doesn't count.....
Re: Taking the knee.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:35 pm
And these people just show up? Or are they organized by ANIFA? There are reports of people getting paid a daily rate to infiltrate peaceful protests with the aim to create violence.