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Re: Colby Bishop Transfer Value

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I think there is another threat to our team and that is Morrell. I note that Mousinho is already saying that he doesn't know whether we can keep him this summer. Of course the easy answer to both the Morrell & Bishop threats is just say no and, if the club are really serious about promotion, that is the answer they should give. Both these players are excellent players to have at our level and would be a massive loss to lose them. Morrell is at least a Championship level player and I think is crucial in any promotion team and for attracting players of similar ability to this club. Keeping our best players is a statement of intent that shows the paying public that the club means what it says about wanting success, as well as players who may consider coming here will see that they are joining a club chasing success. Just say no and keep our best players.
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The 'churn' of players at L1/L2 level can only be resisted by investment as the scrap for loan and out of contract players undergoes its usual merrygoround.

If the owners are up to do this, then keeping Colby would be a decent start. imo it will be Colby's own attitude which will decide what happens. He's 26 so may not attract such interest again in his career, you're only one ACL injury away from a stuttering end to it. If he knows a champ side are offering a decent contract I can't see him turning it down.
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If the club are serious about getting promotion then Bishop has to be kept. We struggle to find scorers and selling a proven one is a big mistake. Sell him, try to buy another or get a loan striker and we are shooting ourselves in the foot once again. League 1 has seen enough of Pompey, let’s move up.
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Pompey1984+1 wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 10:47 am I'm not convinced he's championship material, certainly not a club with aspirations over and above scrapping to stay up.

Does he have one or two years left on his contract?
that has always been my assessment of Curtis too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and football is all about opinions but I suspect that Championship clubs have looked at Curtis in the past and decided that the quality for championship football is not there currently. It would not surprise me to learn that Pompey have never had a bid from a Championship club for him.

It is a shame for Curtis that he picked up a serious injury. It will be interesting to see what interest comes in for him now he is a free agent. I think Pompey will offer him a one year deal - at modest salary - with perhaps a option for a second year if he plays a certain level of games for him and the question for him and his agent is whether they can get a better deal elsewhere.
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Reading the News today Bishop himself doesn't know for sure where he will be next season. He is saying that his future is not in his hands and that the club and 'other people' decide what happens. He is saying that as far as he is concerned he sees himself here next season unless he is told otherwise.

Now a couple of points do ome to mind here with one being he has two more years on his contract. That means he does have some in what happens because without his agreement he doesn't have to leave. The club can accept an offer for him but it is up to him if he leaves. So when he says he has no choice I wonder if he is leaving the door open a bit. Secondly I think the club should tell him they want him to stay and unless they get an offer over, say £3 million, he will be with us.

Maybe I have over simplified things a bit but it does seem pretty straight forward to me. The club tells the player he is wanted for our own promotion push and that any would be suitors will need to pay through the nose to get him. The same things should apply to Morrell as well.
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Blue Walter wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:16 pm Reading the News today Bishop himself doesn't know for sure where he will be next season. He is saying that his future is not in his hands and that the club and 'other people' decide what happens. He is saying that as far as he is concerned he sees himself here next season unless he is told otherwise.

Now a couple of points do ome to mind here with one being he has two more years on his contract. That means he does have some in what happens because without his agreement he doesn't have to leave. The club can accept an offer for him but it is up to him if he leaves. So when he says he has no choice I wonder if he is leaving the door open a bit. Secondly I think the club should tell him they want him to stay and unless they get an offer over, say £3 million, he will be with us.

Maybe I have over simplified things a bit but it does seem pretty straight forward to me. The club tells the player he is wanted for our own promotion push and that any would be suitors will need to pay through the nose to get him. The same things should apply to Morrell as well.
I suspect the club have said the same to Bishop and his agent. We don't want to sell you, we don't need to sell you but if a club comes in and meets our valuation then we will let you know. Truth is neither Bishop or Pompey know if a club is out there willing to spend say £3m on him this off-season.
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My only concern is if he goes to another league 1 team aiming for promotion.
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Sam_Brown wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:32 pm My only concern is if he goes to another league 1 team aiming for promotion.
Very unlikely to happen in my opinion.
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Pompey1984+1 wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 11:44 am
Sam_Brown wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:32 pm My only concern is if he goes to another league 1 team aiming for promotion.
Very unlikely to happen in my opinion.
Yup. Same. Hope we're right.
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Jack_Tinn wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:06 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:16 pm Reading the News today Bishop himself doesn't know for sure where he will be next season. He is saying that his future is not in his hands and that the club and 'other people' decide what happens. He is saying that as far as he is concerned he sees himself here next season unless he is told otherwise.

Now a couple of points do ome to mind here with one being he has two more years on his contract. That means he does have some in what happens because without his agreement he doesn't have to leave. The club can accept an offer for him but it is up to him if he leaves. So when he says he has no choice I wonder if he is leaving the door open a bit. Secondly I think the club should tell him they want him to stay and unless they get an offer over, say £3 million, he will be with us.

Maybe I have over simplified things a bit but it does seem pretty straight forward to me. The club tells the player he is wanted for our own promotion push and that any would be suitors will need to pay through the nose to get him. The same things should apply to Morrell as well.
I suspect the club have said the same to Bishop and his agent. We don't want to sell you, we don't need to sell you but if a club comes in and meets our valuation then we will let you know. Truth is neither Bishop or Pompey know if a club is out there willing to spend say £3m on him this off-season.

You may well be right but that's not what is being said publicly. I can't see any reason why the club can't say that they intend to keep our best players as we want them here to help in our own clubs success. Saying it publicly that if anyone wants our best players they will have to pay over the odds to get them will give supporters more confidence that the club means what it says about promotion. Mousinho simply saying that he doesn't know if he will be able to keep Bishop & Morrell seems like a whinge or an invitation to put in a bid.
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Blue Walter wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:22 pm Saying it publicly that if anyone wants our best players they will have to pay over the odds to get them will give supporters more confidence that the club means what it says about promotion.
Completely agree mate.
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Blue Walter wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:22 pm
Jack_Tinn wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:06 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:16 pm Reading the News today Bishop himself doesn't know for sure where he will be next season. He is saying that his future is not in his hands and that the club and 'other people' decide what happens. He is saying that as far as he is concerned he sees himself here next season unless he is told otherwise.

Now a couple of points do ome to mind here with one being he has two more years on his contract. That means he does have some in what happens because without his agreement he doesn't have to leave. The club can accept an offer for him but it is up to him if he leaves. So when he says he has no choice I wonder if he is leaving the door open a bit. Secondly I think the club should tell him they want him to stay and unless they get an offer over, say £3 million, he will be with us.

Maybe I have over simplified things a bit but it does seem pretty straight forward to me. The club tells the player he is wanted for our own promotion push and that any would be suitors will need to pay through the nose to get him. The same things should apply to Morrell as well.
I suspect the club have said the same to Bishop and his agent. We don't want to sell you, we don't need to sell you but if a club comes in and meets our valuation then we will let you know. Truth is neither Bishop or Pompey know if a club is out there willing to spend say £3m on him this off-season.

You may well be right but that's not what is being said publicly. I can't see any reason why the club can't say that they intend to keep our best players as we want them here to help in our own clubs success. Saying it publicly that if anyone wants our best players they will have to pay over the odds to get them will give supporters more confidence that the club means what it says about promotion. Mousinho simply saying that he doesn't know if he will be able to keep Bishop & Morrell seems like a whinge or an invitation to put in a bid.
You think players would take kindly to the club saying you have to pay over the odds for them? The club don't want pissed off players on the books.

What if the club say over the odds, then accept a bid they believe to be over the odds, but it doesn't meet with fans valuation? It's just a stick to be beaten with.

Of course the club don't know if they can keep the players - they don't know what someone is going to offer, if anything.
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Sam_Brown wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:47 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:22 pm Saying it publicly that if anyone wants our best players they will have to pay over the odds to get them will give supporters more confidence that the club means what it says about promotion.
Completely agree mate.
Sorry but the club don’t need to say sod all about bids from other clubs and players don’t need to be told of any bids from other clubs unless the club feels that it’s acceptable and allow them to speak to that club.
Saying publicly that we would not entertain bids for players is surely counter productive
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Pompey55 wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:34 pm
Sam_Brown wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:47 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:22 pm Saying it publicly that if anyone wants our best players they will have to pay over the odds to get them will give supporters more confidence that the club means what it says about promotion.
Completely agree mate.
Sorry but the club don’t need to say sod all about bids from other clubs and players don’t need to be told of any bids from other clubs unless the club feels that it’s acceptable and allow them to speak to that club.
Saying publicly that we would not entertain bids for players is surely counter productive
Counter productive in what way? I am talking about Pompey keeping their best players instead of selling them to fund our transfer budget. Remember I said IF the club are serious about promotion this is what they need to do. If the club are serious about promotion, like they are telling us supporters, they could cement our confidence in the club by letting people know we WANT to keep our best players. By whinging about 'not being able to keep Bishop (or Morrell)' can be seen as an open invitation for bids. By making a public pledge that the clubs intention is a serious attempt at promotion by keeping our best players and adding to what we have got will boost confidence within the support. Players will only be sold at premium prices and not to rivals.

Don't you want to know how serious the club are for next season? Will you be OK about getting a 'competitive' budget that is funded by the sale of players? I really don't know why you need to say the club doesn't have to 'say sod all' because we know that. But by making a public declaration people will know where we stand. At the moment I am not sure this summer's transfer budget is not going to be funded by flogging a player we have finally managed to bring in to score goals regularly. What is being said at the moment is basically 'what can we do if the big boys come knocking'.
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Pompey1984+1 wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:10 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:22 pm
Jack_Tinn wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:06 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:16 pm Reading the News today Bishop himself doesn't know for sure where he will be next season. He is saying that his future is not in his hands and that the club and 'other people' decide what happens. He is saying that as far as he is concerned he sees himself here next season unless he is told otherwise.

Now a couple of points do ome to mind here with one being he has two more years on his contract. That means he does have some in what happens because without his agreement he doesn't have to leave. The club can accept an offer for him but it is up to him if he leaves. So when he says he has no choice I wonder if he is leaving the door open a bit. Secondly I think the club should tell him they want him to stay and unless they get an offer over, say £3 million, he will be with us.

Maybe I have over simplified things a bit but it does seem pretty straight forward to me. The club tells the player he is wanted for our own promotion push and that any would be suitors will need to pay through the nose to get him. The same things should apply to Morrell as well.
I suspect the club have said the same to Bishop and his agent. We don't want to sell you, we don't need to sell you but if a club comes in and meets our valuation then we will let you know. Truth is neither Bishop or Pompey know if a club is out there willing to spend say £3m on him this off-season.

You may well be right but that's not what is being said publicly. I can't see any reason why the club can't say that they intend to keep our best players as we want them here to help in our own clubs success. Saying it publicly that if anyone wants our best players they will have to pay over the odds to get them will give supporters more confidence that the club means what it says about promotion. Mousinho simply saying that he doesn't know if he will be able to keep Bishop & Morrell seems like a whinge or an invitation to put in a bid.
You think players would take kindly to the club saying you have to pay over the odds for them? The club don't want pissed off players on the books.

What if the club say over the odds, then accept a bid they believe to be over the odds, but it doesn't meet with fans valuation? It's just a stick to be beaten with.

Of course the club don't know if they can keep the players - they don't know what someone is going to offer, if anything.

Of course the club know if they can keep their players, they are under contract. Bishop himself knows he is under contract. The club are in the driving seat, which is known by the players themselves and any other club that want our players. As for being 'pissed off' players if the club refuse a bid that they consider fair doesn't come into it. They signed a contract that ties them to the club for a determined period. And when have clubs been concerned by what value their supporters put on any player?Of course they would be cheesed off if a big club came in for them and Pompey turned them down. The thing is unless a Championship club comes in for any of our players they would be going to a rival in League One, as was the case last season. Also of course the club knows there will be interest from other clubs, especially for Bishop & Morrell, they are good players at this level and good players are at a premium.

Other clubs have made statements about their players not going anywhere unless they receive an offer too good to turn down. Some clubs have gone further and said their players are not for sale. Moushino saying the club doesn't know if they can keep their players is tantamount to inviting bids and I sincerely hope that Pompey are not looking to trade.
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