New England Kit

[Portchesterblue2]

Is it not ridiculous to change the colour of the cross on the new kit to multi coloured
I am not any sort of nationalist far from it politically but you can't change history or tradition can you?

completely agree, pointless thing to do. As someone on the tv pointed out this morning, there is no way NIKE would do the same to the stars and stripes, so why do it to someone elses flag??

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Yeah, no way they'd ever do that!

So it has a colourful cross on the neck. Who cares? All designs would have been vetted by the FA and they deem it OK. In fact, they very well may have requested it.

i don't care what colour the kit is Chris, what I don't understand is why change the colours of the English flag? Its the flag of England not a kit, if you are ok with the flag being different colours lets change the actual flag ?
the reason is unbelievable, so its more inclusive and not nationalistic ?? what's more nationalistic that the countries football team shirt ?? do we take the 3 lions off so the front isn't nationalistic too?

It's not actually a flag though is it?

It's an element of a flag that has been incorporated into a piece of clothing. A design feature if you will. There have been dozens of England shirts with zero nods to the Cross of St George on them.

It's just a design feature - and I'm tempted to buy one as it's been years since I owned an offensive t shirt

Exactly. It isn't a flag. In fact, I can find no other examples of a cross existing on the back of the neck on any previous shirt and precious few examples of the red cross on previous shirts. This first example on the back of the neck is just a colourful cross on a blue background. Certainly not something to get worked up about. Also, to the suggestion that the design is to promote inclusion, I ask which groups? That combination of colours doesn't represent any group I am aware of.

i thought there was a flag on the colour of the last one? like i say, doesnt bother me if there isnt one, but to say you haev put the cross of st george on the shirt, but to promote inclusion and stop nationalism you have made it a different colour is just mad. Either do it as it should be or dont say its the cross of st george, easy really.
As for the inclusion, who knows

[eltorrro]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

[Pompey1984+1]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Were you born in Spain?

Where was the cross of St George on the kit in 1966?

[eltorrro]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Were you born in Spain?

Where was the cross of St George on the kit in 1966?

What sort of answer is that?
I said I'm English.
If memory serves me correctly the St. George cross flag has only been used at England football games in the more recent years. Back in '66 it wasn't necessary as people were much more nationalistic.

[Pompey1984+1]

Is it not ridiculous to change the colour of the cross on the new kit to multi coloured
I am not any sort of nationalist far from it politically but you can't change history or tradition can you?

completely agree, pointless thing to do. As someone on the tv pointed out this morning, there is no way NIKE would do the same to the stars and stripes, so why do it to someone elses flag??

64529629-0-image-a-30_1668438229299.jpg

Yeah, no way they'd ever do that!

So it has a colourful cross on the neck. Who cares? All designs would have been vetted by the FA and they deem it OK. In fact, they very well may have requested it.

i don't care what colour the kit is Chris, what I don't understand is why change the colours of the English flag? Its the flag of England not a kit, if you are ok with the flag being different colours lets change the actual flag ?
the reason is unbelievable, so its more inclusive and not nationalistic ?? what's more nationalistic that the countries football team shirt ?? do we take the 3 lions off so the front isn't nationalistic too?

It's not actually a flag though is it?

It's an element of a flag that has been incorporated into a piece of clothing. A design feature if you will. There have been dozens of England shirts with zero nods to the Cross of St George on them.

It's just a design feature - and I'm tempted to buy one as it's been years since I owned an offensive t shirt

Exactly. It isn't a flag. In fact, I can find no other examples of a cross existing on the back of the neck on any previous shirt and precious few examples of the red cross on previous shirts. This first example on the back of the neck is just a colourful cross on a blue background. Certainly not something to get worked up about. Also, to the suggestion that the design is to promote inclusion, I ask which groups? That combination of colours doesn't represent any group I am aware of.

I assumed the combination of colours was a mash up of the colours from the home and away kit. Or at least that's what I thought when I first saw it.

The narrative being spun didn't even enter my head, but why would it? It's not offended me as an British person.

There are plenty of other things wrong with this country to get wound up about rather than a design feature on a football shirt.

[Pompey1984+1]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Were you born in Spain?

Where was the cross of St George on the kit in 1966?

What sort of answer is that?
I said I'm English.
If memory serves me correctly the St. George cross flag has only been used at England football games in the more recent years. Back in '66 it wasn't necessary as people were much more nationalistic.

You said it's the national flag of the England foot all team. It isn't. The emblem of the England football team is the three lions - the badge that's on the chest above the heart.

You can be proud of your nation without being nationalist.

I was just confused, as surely someone wouldn't become the thing they clearly despise, in this instance an immigrant. Thought maybe I'd missed something.

[Pompey55]

Is it not ridiculous to change the colour of the cross on the new kit to multi coloured
I am not any sort of nationalist far from it politically but you can't change history or tradition can you?

completely agree, pointless thing to do. As someone on the tv pointed out this morning, there is no way NIKE would do the same to the stars and stripes, so why do it to someone elses flag??

64529629-0-image-a-30_1668438229299.jpg

Yeah, no way they'd ever do that!

So it has a colourful cross on the neck. Who cares? All designs would have been vetted by the FA and they deem it OK. In fact, they very well may have requested it.

i don't care what colour the kit is Chris, what I don't understand is why change the colours of the English flag? Its the flag of England not a kit, if you are ok with the flag being different colours lets change the actual flag ?
the reason is unbelievable, so its more inclusive and not nationalistic ?? what's more nationalistic that the countries football team shirt ?? do we take the 3 lions off so the front isn't nationalistic too?

This was very much my issue it's a cross which is obviously based upon the cross of ST. George therefore in my view either have a traditional red on white or not bother at all.
It's has I think achieved exactly what Nike wanted when they designed it, as much cheap publicity as possible as they surely expected some sort of backlash

[Betelgeuse]

Is it not ridiculous to change the colour of the cross on the new kit to multi coloured
I am not any sort of nationalist far from it politically but you can't change history or tradition can you?

completely agree, pointless thing to do. As someone on the tv pointed out this morning, there is no way NIKE would do the same to the stars and stripes, so why do it to someone elses flag??

64529629-0-image-a-30_1668438229299.jpg

Yeah, no way they'd ever do that!

So it has a colourful cross on the neck. Who cares? All designs would have been vetted by the FA and they deem it OK. In fact, they very well may have requested it.

i don't care what colour the kit is Chris, what I don't understand is why change the colours of the English flag? Its the flag of England not a kit, if you are ok with the flag being different colours lets change the actual flag ?
the reason is unbelievable, so its more inclusive and not nationalistic ?? what's more nationalistic that the countries football team shirt ?? do we take the 3 lions off so the front isn't nationalistic too?

It's not actually a flag though is it?

It's an element of a flag that has been incorporated into a piece of clothing. A design feature if you will. There have been dozens of England shirts with zero nods to the Cross of St George on them.

It's just a design feature - and I'm tempted to buy one as it's been years since I owned an offensive t shirt

Exactly. It isn't a flag. In fact, I can find no other examples of a cross existing on the back of the neck on any previous shirt and precious few examples of the red cross on previous shirts. This first example on the back of the neck is just a colourful cross on a blue background. Certainly not something to get worked up about. Also, to the suggestion that the design is to promote inclusion, I ask which groups? That combination of colours doesn't represent any group I am aware of.

It's meant to be the flag of St George but they've ******* about with it. Why have it there if it's not a flag? Just leave the flag alone.

[eltorrro]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Were you born in Spain?

Where was the cross of St George on the kit in 1966?

What sort of answer is that?
I said I'm English.
If memory serves me correctly the St. George cross flag has only been used at England football games in the more recent years. Back in '66 it wasn't necessary as people were much more nationalistic.

You said it's the national flag of the England foot all team. It isn't. The emblem of the England football team is the three lions - the badge that's on the chest above the heart.

You can be proud of your nation without being nationalist.

I was just confused, as surely someone wouldn't become the thing they clearly despise, in this instance and immigrant. Thought maybe I'd missed something.

Perhaps you should clarify what you have written ie...
You are correct...the emblem of the England football club is the Three LIons...that is NOT a flag!! It's a badge.
I don't despise immigrants per se. Those like me, contributing to and capable of looking after themselves and not a burden upon their adopted country are fine and should be welcomed.
Asylum seekers in fear for their lives..ok.
Economic asylum seekers (the vast majority of those arriving on the UK shores)..no thanks.
But that's another story and we are debating the St. George cross/England.

[Pompey1984+1]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Were you born in Spain?

Where was the cross of St George on the kit in 1966?

What sort of answer is that?
I said I'm English.
If memory serves me correctly the St. George cross flag has only been used at England football games in the more recent years. Back in '66 it wasn't necessary as people were much more nationalistic.

You said it's the national flag of the England foot all team. It isn't. The emblem of the England football team is the three lions - the badge that's on the chest above the heart.

You can be proud of your nation without being nationalist.

I was just confused, as surely someone wouldn't become the thing they clearly despise, in this instance and immigrant. Thought maybe I'd missed something.

Perhaps you should clarify what you have written ie...
You are correct...the emblem of the England football club is the Three LIons...that is NOT a flag!! It's a badge.
I don't despise immigrants per se. Those like me, contributing to and capable of looking after themselves and not a burden upon their adopted country are fine and should be welcomed.
Asylum seekers in fear for their lives..ok.
Economic asylum seekers (the vast majority of those arriving on the UK shores)..no thanks.
But that's another story and we are debating the St. George cross/England.

I think the internet is broken, seems a post from the comments section of the Daily Mail has found it's way here.

[eltorrro]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Were you born in Spain?

Where was the cross of St George on the kit in 1966?

What sort of answer is that?
I said I'm English.
If memory serves me correctly the St. George cross flag has only been used at England football games in the more recent years. Back in '66 it wasn't necessary as people were much more nationalistic.

You said it's the national flag of the England foot all team. It isn't. The emblem of the England football team is the three lions - the badge that's on the chest above the heart.

You can be proud of your nation without being nationalist.

I was just confused, as surely someone wouldn't become the thing they clearly despise, in this instance and immigrant. Thought maybe I'd missed something.

Perhaps you should clarify what you have written ie...
You are correct...the emblem of the England football club is the Three LIons...that is NOT a flag!! It's a badge.
I don't despise immigrants per se. Those like me, contributing to and capable of looking after themselves and not a burden upon their adopted country are fine and should be welcomed.
Asylum seekers in fear for their lives..ok.
Economic asylum seekers (the vast majority of those arriving on the UK shores)..no thanks.
But that's another story and we are debating the St. George cross/England.

I think the internet is broken, seems a post from the comments section of the Daily Mail has found it's way here.

Explain yourself as I don't read that rag!!

[Blue Walter]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

I completely agree with you on this. I too worry about our country. Some people seem to want to give it away and despise our history. Being nationalistic is seen as evil by some, being proud of our country is seen as a sin. Yet a few days ago it was St Patrick's day where we were invited to celebrate the Irish nation. Un tampered with Irish flags were on show but the sight of the English flag is seen a a racist emblem.

Next thing it will be wrong to cheer when England score it will be frowned on if you do and enjoying it if we we win will be wrong as well. Looking at the England team shows all the 'inclusiveness' anybody could want, in fact the team wouldn't be what it is without its black players.

[Pompey55]

I wish I had never started this topic as I was purely making a simple point regarding the changing of an established historical representation of a flag for purely commercial purposes
Whilst I respect the views of those who see this as a symptom of a negative attitude to our "national indentity" it's nothing of the sort it's a simple marketing tool in my view a deliberate attempt by the designer to generate such nationalistic opinion
I really get annoyed by this constant we are English don't change anything everyone wants to put us in our place attitude of some, as a nation historically we are the most diverse country in the world and all the better for it in my opinion

[eltorrro]

I wish I had never started this topic as I was purely making a simple point regarding the changing of an established historical representation of a flag for purely commercial purposes
Whilst I respect the views of those who see this as a symptom of a negative attitude to our "national indentity" it's nothing of the sort it's a simple marketing tool in my view a deliberate attempt by the designer to generate such nationalistic opinion
I really get annoyed by this constant we are English don't change anything everyone wants to put us in our place attitude of some, as a nation historically we are the most diverse country in the world and all the better for it in my opinion

'it's a simple marketing tool in my view a deliberate attempt by the designer to generate such nationalistic opinion'

Sorry 55 but it's nothing of the sort and the suppliers have admitted such by saying they were trying to make it more 'inclusive'! It's their way of saying the St George flag symbolises to some a history that discredits, as you say...one of the most diverse countries in the world.

[Sam_Brown]

I really do worry about the UK!!
Is there anybody on this board that is Nationalistic toward their country, whether country of birth or adopted?
Why don't you want the St. George cross on our shirts? It's the national flag of England football team FFS!! and in my view should be displayed whenever and wherever England football is displayed.
OK, somebody is going to respond about me leaving UK and living abroad. Yes I did, but I ALWAYS wear the England shirt when we play and ALWAYS when I watch v Spain at a bar.
I might be old school but even though I live in a foreign country I am still English through and through and would willingly lay my life on the line for my country (even though it has been taken over by immigrants!!)

Rant over!

Says the guy living as an immigrant in Spain .

Sorry couldn’t help myself.