Bowat

[phat_chris]

Out for 6 months with a torn tendon.

[Sam_Brown]

Well that’s not good.

[Rjc365618]

We seem to get more than our fair share of long term injuries. Is it our training or something?

[phat_chris]

Mous said the incident was really innocuous. Bowat took a shot and felt some pain. Didn't seem like much but when the scan result came back it showed the torn tendon.

[BlueinPLtwenty]

No more shooting practice, it`s too dangerous

[Blue Walter]

No more shooting practice, it`s too dangerous

Probably best to scrap training altogether as it appears too dangerous. Perhaps just make the players watch training videos instead which appears the safer option.

[BlueinPLtwenty]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

[Pompey55]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

[Pompey1984+1]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

You keep banging on about assets for the future he is 22 he isn't a kid, neither are most of the other young players we have signed to for the future.

You talk like we're buying players for further down the line - we aren't, the club have made that crystal clear. You don't buy a player for £500k on the off chance he's going to get a game for you in our position.

We are buying players who we think can impact the first team now but who (we) can develop further and hopefully sell for more money that we bought them for.

Develop is the language the club use - not 'one for the future'. There are obviously a number of players we have signed who are ones for the future but they aren't impacting the first team now, Swann, the Irish keeper and I dare say the Irish lad we had on trial in the summer will turn up.

[phat_chris]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

You seem to have a real downer on the concept of signing players with the future in mind and appear to be under the impression that we have signed too many of those this window. Let's take a look at our signings to see if that opinion carries any weight.

GKs: Schmid and Archer signed, one to challenge for the number 1 shirt and the other as emergency backup.

Defenders: Williams, Bowat, Farrell. Williams carries obvious Championship experience and at his age is clearly a signing for the here and now. Farrell is young and appears to be a future replacement for Ogilvie, but may appear sooner rather than later given Ogilvie is struggling. Bowat was signed as a young player with experience in Europe while we were still short at CB. Whether he was signed as a prospect or as a starter, we'll never know thanks to his injury. Let's just assume future prospect.

CM: Dozzell, Kamara, Potts, Swann. Dozzell arrived with Championship experience so clearly signed for the here and now. Potts, as a loan player, was signed for the here and now. Kamara could be described as a future prospect, but given the quality we've seen so far in his limited appearances, he might be for the here and now. I can see the argument for both. Swann already sent out on loan so definitely a future prospect.

AM: Ritchie, Murphy, Blair, Silvera. Ritchie obviously not a future prospect and neither is Murphy. Blair definitely is. Silvera a loan with a year under his belt at this level already.

Forwards: Sorensen, O'Mahony. Sorensen is an odd one. Has experience of different level of football, but returned to his homeland to kick-start his career again. O'Mahony another loan who the club will expect to deliver but lacking in experience.

Analysis:

For the purpose of this analysis I will be separating the signings into 3 categories; Championship/higher level experience, Unproven and Prospect.

Championship/higher level experience: (7)
Schmid, Archer, Williams, Dozzell, Murphy, Ritchie, Silvera(I could be persuaded to put in unproven).

Unproven: (5)
Farrell(I could be persuaded to put in future prospect), Bowat(given his 2 full seasons of European football I could be persuaded to put in the above category. I could equally be persuaded to put him in prospect), Potts, Sorensen, O'Mahony.

Prospect: (3)
Blair, Kamara, Swann

Obviously arguments can be made to move players between these categories, but it's clear that the club haven't been focusing overly on future prospects like your reply seems to insinuate. Now it could be argued that not enough of our signings have enough experience at this level, particularly in key positions, but that is a different argument altogether and whether the club had the budget to sign more experienced players is completely unknown.

[Pompey55]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

You keep banging on about assets for the future he is 22 he isn't a kid, neither are most of the other young players we have signed to for the future.

You talk like we're buying players for further down the line - we aren't, the club have made that crystal clear. You don't buy a player for £500k on the off chance he's going to get a game for you in our position.

We are buying players who we think can impact the first team now but who (we) can develop further and hopefully sell for more money that we bought them for.

Develop is the language the club use - not 'one for the future'. There are obviously a number of players we have signed who are ones for the future but they aren't impacting the first team now, Swann, the Irish keeper and I dare say the Irish lad we had on trial in the summer will turn up.

Is not likely he would be behind Poole Shaunessy and McIntyre and on current form may be Towler so unless we spent the money for a squad player he is one we are looking at as a player who will develop into a starter in the future
The phrase "assets"I think was originally coined by Cullen not me to describe our policy of buying p!ayers who we can develop
If these players are first team ready why was Sorenson not even in the squad before Yengi got injured in the warm up and the others are only being gradually introduced from the bench as Moushino obviously think they are not yet ready to start although I think that's a mistake in midfield where Kamara certainly looks to be an improvement on Dozzell which I don't think is difficult
I don't have a problem with buying players who we can introduce to the first team and develop for the future I just feel there is to great an emphasis on it at present in particular having just stepped up a significant level in the quality of opposition we are meeting.

[Pompey55]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

You seem to have a real downer on the concept of signing players with the future in mind and appear to be under the impression that we have signed too many of those this window. Let's take a look at our signings to see if that opinion carries any weight.

GKs: Schmid and Archer signed, one to challenge for the number 1 shirt and the other as emergency backup.

Defenders: Williams, Bowat, Farrell. Williams carries obvious Championship experience and at his age is clearly a signing for the here and now. Farrell is young and appears to be a future replacement for Ogilvie, but may appear sooner rather than later given Ogilvie is struggling. Bowat was signed as a young player with experience in Europe while we were still short at CB. Whether he was signed as a prospect or as a starter, we'll never know thanks to his injury. Let's just assume future prospect.

CM: Dozzell, Kamara, Potts, Swann. Dozzell arrived with Championship experience so clearly signed for the here and now. Potts, as a loan player, was signed for the here and now. Kamara could be described as a future prospect, but given the quality we've seen so far in his limited appearances, he might be for the here and now. I can see the argument for both. Swann already sent out on loan so definitely a future prospect.

AM: Ritchie, Murphy, Blair, Silvera. Ritchie obviously not a future prospect and neither is Murphy. Blair definitely is. Silvera a loan with a year under his belt at this level already.

Forwards: Sorensen, O'Mahony. Sorensen is an odd one. Has experience of different level of football, but returned to his homeland to kick-start his career again. O'Mahony another loan who the club will expect to deliver but lacking in experience.

Analysis:

For the purpose of this analysis I will be separating the signings into 3 categories; Championship/higher level experience, Unproven and Prospect.

Championship/higher level experience: (7)
Schmid, Archer, Williams, Dozzell, Murphy, Ritchie, Silvera(I could be persuaded to put in unproven).

Unproven: (5)
Farrell(I could be persuaded to put in future prospect), Bowat(given his 2 full seasons of European football I could be persuaded to put in the above category. I could equally be persuaded to put him in prospect), Potts, Sorensen, O'Mahony.

Prospect: (3)
Blair, Kamara, Swann

Obviously arguments can be made to move players between these categories, but it's clear that the club haven't been focusing overly on future prospects like your reply seems to insinuate. Now it could be argued that not enough of our signings have enough experience at this level, particularly in key positions, but that is a different argument altogether and whether the club had the budget to sign more experienced players is completely unknown.

I don't widely disagree with your comments but in the championship experience I would say
Archer is stretching it a bit as he has been a perpetual bench sitter over recent seasons
Murphy we don't know which version we will see the one who performed well enough to get a big money move and played well for half a season at Oxford or the one who failed at Cardiff and did little for the first 18 months at Oxford
Williams has played the majority of his career at wing back and I think there are questions over his defensive acumen think he looked poor as a makeshift central defender
Dozzell very unimpressed with him so far I see him as a squad player at best maybe this season's Stevenson
Ritchie has played very little football over recent seasons and I just don't understand his signing when we are well stocked with wide players I see him as a bit part player at best
I just think the majority of our signings have been speculative and a gamble and our team is little better than last season based on their current performance

[phat_chris]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

You seem to have a real downer on the concept of signing players with the future in mind and appear to be under the impression that we have signed too many of those this window. Let's take a look at our signings to see if that opinion carries any weight.

GKs: Schmid and Archer signed, one to challenge for the number 1 shirt and the other as emergency backup.

Defenders: Williams, Bowat, Farrell. Williams carries obvious Championship experience and at his age is clearly a signing for the here and now. Farrell is young and appears to be a future replacement for Ogilvie, but may appear sooner rather than later given Ogilvie is struggling. Bowat was signed as a young player with experience in Europe while we were still short at CB. Whether he was signed as a prospect or as a starter, we'll never know thanks to his injury. Let's just assume future prospect.

CM: Dozzell, Kamara, Potts, Swann. Dozzell arrived with Championship experience so clearly signed for the here and now. Potts, as a loan player, was signed for the here and now. Kamara could be described as a future prospect, but given the quality we've seen so far in his limited appearances, he might be for the here and now. I can see the argument for both. Swann already sent out on loan so definitely a future prospect.

AM: Ritchie, Murphy, Blair, Silvera. Ritchie obviously not a future prospect and neither is Murphy. Blair definitely is. Silvera a loan with a year under his belt at this level already.

Forwards: Sorensen, O'Mahony. Sorensen is an odd one. Has experience of different level of football, but returned to his homeland to kick-start his career again. O'Mahony another loan who the club will expect to deliver but lacking in experience.

Analysis:

For the purpose of this analysis I will be separating the signings into 3 categories; Championship/higher level experience, Unproven and Prospect.

Championship/higher level experience: (7)
Schmid, Archer, Williams, Dozzell, Murphy, Ritchie, Silvera(I could be persuaded to put in unproven).

Unproven: (5)
Farrell(I could be persuaded to put in future prospect), Bowat(given his 2 full seasons of European football I could be persuaded to put in the above category. I could equally be persuaded to put him in prospect), Potts, Sorensen, O'Mahony.

Prospect: (3)
Blair, Kamara, Swann

Obviously arguments can be made to move players between these categories, but it's clear that the club haven't been focusing overly on future prospects like your reply seems to insinuate. Now it could be argued that not enough of our signings have enough experience at this level, particularly in key positions, but that is a different argument altogether and whether the club had the budget to sign more experienced players is completely unknown.

I don't widely disagree with your comments but in the championship experience I would say
Archer is stretching it a bit as he has been a perpetual bench sitter over recent seasons
Murphy we don't know which version we will see the one who performed well enough to get a big money move and played well for half a season at Oxford or the one who failed at Cardiff and did little for the first 18 months at Oxford
Williams has played the majority of his career at wing back and I think there are questions over his defensive acumen think he looked poor as a makeshift central defender
Dozzell very unimpressed with him so far I see him as a squad player at best maybe this season's Stevenson
Ritchie has played very little football over recent seasons and I just don't understand his signing when we are well stocked with wide players I see him as a bit part player at best
I just think the majority of our signings have been speculative and a gamble and our team is little better than last season based on their current performance

Yes I agree with much of what you say here. I see Archer as very much the epitome of the emergency backup keeper. That being said, he is an upgrade over last season's emergency backup keeper, Schofield. I very much want to see Williams moved out from CB as he is not a good option there and wasn't signed to be one. I completely agree that Dozzell is this season's Stevenson, a backup player. I have a theory regarding Ritchie. In the early season, before he signed we had Clout, an Academy player, on the bench which allowed us to field 1 extra sub. As a product of our Academy, Ritchie fills that criteria whilst also giving us a better quality option off the bench. I agree that we have gambled with some of our signings, but given the number of players we needed to sign and our limited budget, we kinda had to gamble to some extent. That being said, I still believe we have enough quality to stay up this season and that is our ultimate goal.

[Pompey1984+1]

I didn`t realise that we had bought Bowat, I thought we had loaned him from Fulham

Yes another one we bought with the future in mind

You keep banging on about assets for the future he is 22 he isn't a kid, neither are most of the other young players we have signed to for the future.

You talk like we're buying players for further down the line - we aren't, the club have made that crystal clear. You don't buy a player for £500k on the off chance he's going to get a game for you in our position.

We are buying players who we think can impact the first team now but who (we) can develop further and hopefully sell for more money that we bought them for.

Develop is the language the club use - not 'one for the future'. There are obviously a number of players we have signed who are ones for the future but they aren't impacting the first team now, Swann, the Irish keeper and I dare say the Irish lad we had on trial in the summer will turn up.

Is not likely he would be behind Poole Shaunessy and McIntyre and on current form may be Towler so unless we spent the money for a squad player he is one we are looking at as a player who will develop into a starter in the future
The phrase "assets"I think was originally coined by Cullen not me to describe our policy of buying p!ayers who we can develop
If these players are first team ready why was Sorenson not even in the squad before Yengi got injured in the warm up and the others are only being gradually introduced from the bench as Moushino obviously think they are not yet ready to start although I think that's a mistake in midfield where Kamara certainly looks to be an improvement on Dozzell which I don't think is difficult
I don't have a problem with buying players who we can introduce to the first team and develop for the future I just feel there is to great an emphasis on it at present in particular having just stepped up a significant level in the quality of opposition we are meeting.

Players are assets though, we will buy and sell them to fund other signings - we can't afford the types of signings you want without some of these players kicking in and being sold for more than we bought them.

Using your example of Sorenson - had he been in the squad someone else missed out, it's a squad game. Being left out of the squad doesn't mean he isn't ready for championship football. it's a squad game.

We need to name a certain number of players trained at the club or lose a player from the bench... I too believe this is part of the reason we got Ritchie.

The manager and the recruitment team don't just look for 11 players it's a balancing act to get the squad right.

Have any of the players we have signed looked out their depth in the championship so far? I can think of players in the past who we have played have looked totally out of their depth for the league we are in.

[PompeyRex44]

No more shooting practice, it`s too dangerous

Think thats been evident in last few games