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Incident being investigated

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"Hampshire Police are investigating after objects were thrown at an assistant referee in Portsmouth's Championship game with Derby County on Saturday.
Objects, including a soft drink bottle, were thrown by a spectator in Fratton Park's North Stand towards the official in the 74th minute of the 2-2 draw.
Portsmouth were fined £50,000 by the FA in January after admitting breaching FA rules in relation to failing to control spectators, the throwing of missiles and pitch incursions in their League One game with Barnsley in April last year.
At the time the club was also warned about its future conduct and that any further instances could lead to similar financial punishments or other sanctions."

This could end up with points deduction and therefore relegation.
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That would be so wrong for what sounds like a fairly small incident that the club were quick to deal with.
Hopefully a further fine if anything at all.
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There's no way that we're going to get a points deduction for someone throwing a (presumably plastic) soft drinks bottle that didn't hit anyone (as far as I'm aware). Sure, we'll get fined and the person who did it is an absolute idiot, but it'll be a fine only.
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It was thrown from near where I sit and I could see it was a completely harmless object. Whoever threw it was a brainless idiot but it was never going to harm anyone. Obviously the incident will be seen more for what could have been thrown such as a glass bottle. The crowd were upset with the linesman because they believed the ball had crossed the byline on the lead up to Derby's second goal. I didn't think it did, as it happens. It was a brainless thing to do but harmless. What I did think was more serious was the verbal treatment that Derby players got when they came near that area along the side of the pitch in front of the North Stand. In fairness to them they just laughed at the people who were giving them the verbals. I don't know what was being said to them but it was obviously unpleasant.
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According to the Snooze, a points deduction is a real possibility due to repeated throwing of objects over the last 12 months…

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/foot ... 8#cxrecs_s

If we were to get away with a hefty fine, we should count ourselves as extremely lucky. Doesn’t look good either way and it all depends whether the FA want to make an example of us?
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Yeah the club is looking for someone to grass the perp up.
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Claygate wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:27 pm According to the Snooze, a points deduction is a real possibility due to repeated throwing of objects over the last 12 months…

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/foot ... 8#cxrecs_s

If we were to get away with a hefty fine, we should count ourselves as extremely lucky. Doesn’t look good either way and it all depends whether the FA want to make an example of us?
Any sanctions are likely to be suspended as was the case with Reading and their tennis ball protests
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Assumed this was going to be for the "let him die" chants when the Coventry player got subbed off last week. I seem to recall a few posts on social media digging the boot in when it was Millwall doing this a few weeks back.
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Sam_Brown wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:12 pm Assumed this was going to be for the "let him die" chants when the Coventry player got subbed off last week. I seem to recall a few posts on social media digging the boot in when it was Millwall doing this a few weeks back.
The Millwall "let him die" incident was deemed by authorities as being non offensive and fair banter which is widely used by many clubs supporters
Hold my hand up was one amongst many singing it at Coventry and a number of other games this season normally when it's apparent that the player is not as seriously injured as he wants it to appear and using it to waste time
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I suppose this is really a social problem in the way people to act in this way. These people probably think they are supporting 'their team' when they chant these disgusting things. I was at the Manchester derby last week and I thought just how quiet it was for a game like that. The most audible chants were those directed at Foden concerning his mother. I can only think that those chanting these things think they are winding up an opposing player in order to help their own team. We see it down here when an ex Saints player is in the other team where he is given the bird from sections of the crowd. I just think how stupid it is, if the player in question wasn't giving 100% he most certainly would after being goaded. Plus I just think it is bad manners really to stoop to that level anyway. How do people think it's supporting your team by being so offensive to the opposition?
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Betelgeuse wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:01 pm Yeah the club is looking for someone to grass the perp up.
Do you consider "grassing up the perpetrator" a bad thing?
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GreenBlue wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Betelgeuse wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:01 pm Yeah the club is looking for someone to grass the perp up.
Do you consider "grassing up the perpetrator" a bad thing?
No there is no excuse for chucking anything on the pitch when it's well known we have been warned about already
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Blue Walter wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:05 pm I suppose this is really a social problem in the way people to act in this way. These people probably think they are supporting 'their team' when they chant these disgusting things. I was at the Manchester derby last week and I thought just how quiet it was for a game like that. The most audible chants were those directed at Foden concerning his mother. I can only think that those chanting these things think they are winding up an opposing player in order to help their own team. We see it down here when an ex Saints player is in the other team where he is given the bird from sections of the crowd. I just think how stupid it is, if the player in question wasn't giving 100% he most certainly would after being goaded. Plus I just think it is bad manners really to stoop to that level anyway. How do people think it's supporting your team by being so offensive to the opposition?
There is a fine line between fair banter and abusive chanting it has been a long established tradition with regards to the "scummer" chants at players who have played for that team down the road. In fact some of those players take it in a good natured manner as I think it was at Wycombe last season when one warmed up and took it as a laugh
Sorry but for gods sake how can a bit of good natured banter aimed at opposing players be bad manners we are not going to a garden party it's bl**dy football a working class game with working class supporters from Portsea Island a working class city.
If that offends anyone I don't give a ****** I'm fed up with the game being sanitised and taken over by tourist supporters and Sky tv
Whoops I sorry this post is really bad manners according to Debretts etiquette guide
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Pompey55 wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:46 pm
Blue Walter wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:05 pm I suppose this is really a social problem in the way people to act in this way. These people probably think they are supporting 'their team' when they chant these disgusting things. I was at the Manchester derby last week and I thought just how quiet it was for a game like that. The most audible chants were those directed at Foden concerning his mother. I can only think that those chanting these things think they are winding up an opposing player in order to help their own team. We see it down here when an ex Saints player is in the other team where he is given the bird from sections of the crowd. I just think how stupid it is, if the player in question wasn't giving 100% he most certainly would after being goaded. Plus I just think it is bad manners really to stoop to that level anyway. How do people think it's supporting your team by being so offensive to the opposition?
There is a fine line between fair banter and abusive chanting it has been a long established tradition with regards to the "scummer" chants at players who have played for that team down the road. In fact some of those players take it in a good natured manner as I think it was at Wycombe last season when one warmed up and took it as a laugh
Sorry but for gods sake how can a bit of good natured banter aimed at opposing players be bad manners we are not going to a garden party it's bl**dy football a working class game with working class supporters from Portsea Island a working class city.
If that offends anyone I don't give a ****** I'm fed up with the game being sanitised and taken over by tourist supporters and Sky tv
Whoops I sorry this post is really bad manners according to Debretts etiquette guide

It depends on what you call "good natured banter" really. Some of the chanting is good natured and sometimes even amusing but I think it goes beyond simple banter when a player gets targeted with foul comments about their mother. It goes beyond simple banter when a player comes to the pitch side and people in the crowd say they hope someone close to them dies of cancer, which I have heard at Fratton. Would anyone go to work and be expected to put up with that sort of treatment? No one is suggesting that attending football matches should be like going to a 'garden party'. It's a working mans game, and it's a universal game. Some of the things that some people shout out really make me cringe at times, and it's not just youngsters either. Older people who you would have thought would know better how to behave indulge in some of this stuff, thankfully a minority.

You may well ridicule my post but I don't think there is a 'fine line' between some of the stuff that goes on and basic human decency. It is not only at football matches that you come across this sort of behaviour either. Of course football is also a release of steam after a weeks work and an escape from every day tensions. Would anyone go to a pub darts match and chant obscenities to a rival about their family members and dismiss it as 'banter'? After all a pub darts match is not a garden party.
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Blue Walter wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:18 pm It depends on what you call "good natured banter" really. Some of the chanting is good natured and sometimes even amusing but I think it goes beyond simple banter when a player gets targeted with foul comments about their mother. It goes beyond simple banter when a player comes to the pitch side and people in the crowd say they hope someone close to them dies of cancer, which I have heard at Fratton. Would anyone go to work and be expected to put up with that sort of treatment? No one is suggesting that attending football matches should be like going to a 'garden party'. It's a working mans game, and it's a universal game. Some of the things that some people shout out really make me cringe at times, and it's not just youngsters either. Older people who you would have thought would know better how to behave indulge in some of this stuff, thankfully a minority.

You may well ridicule my post but I don't think there is a 'fine line' between some of the stuff that goes on and basic human decency. It is not only at football matches that you come across this sort of behaviour either. Of course football is also a release of steam after a weeks work and an escape from every day tensions. Would anyone go to a pub darts match and chant obscenities to a rival about their family members and dismiss it as 'banter'? After all a pub darts match is not a garden party.
Got to agree with this. Some people take it far too seriously. A refs assistant can be having a bad game but they sure don't deserve to be yelled at by some older guy who takes advantage of a quiet moment from the crowd. Grow up! Football is escapism but a few take it too far. As for the throwing incident - it doesn't matter what is thrown it's unacceptable and hopefully whoever did it is identified and dealt with.
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